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Orange County firefighters react to law barring teens from final certification course

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Firetrucks stationed at the Carrboro Fire-Rescue Department Headquarters on Aug. 7, 2022.

On June 6, the North Carolina Fire and Rescue Certification Board barred students under 18 from enrolling in Fireground Ops 9, one of the final courses required for firefighter certification.

The rule takes effect on Dec. 31, reversing the Board’s previous decision, which allowed candidates under 18 to take the course if they had completed all other required firefighter training.

“It only lasted less than 12 months before they decided to stop it, which is very disheartening because if these kids are getting this program and their EMT on their last year of high school, they graduate job-ready,” White Cross Fire Department Fire Chief Phillip Nasseri said.

Firefighters must now be legal adults to enroll in Fireground Ops 9. The course teaches fire control and requires candidates to complete 14 practical skills N.C. Fire and Rescue Commission Deputy Director Brian Wade said. He said  12 of these skills involve extinguishing live fires in environments classified as immediately dangerous to life or health.

At an Oct. 8 meeting with the Orange County Board of County Commissioners, Nasseri asked the commissioners to write a letter to the certification board to reverse its June decision.

He said it is important for students under 18 to take the course because it brings them out of high school with work-ready vocational training and a pathway to earn money while pursuing a part-time college education.

The change could affect recruitment and retention in rural fire departments, which he said often depend on young volunteers transitioning into full-time roles. For candidates aspiring to work in smaller departments, he said delaying access to the course until after graduation might cost them an open position somewhere.

“I think they're going to end up hurting folks more than helping,” Nasseri said

Wade said that allowing under-age candidates to participate in the course violates the commission's live fire policy, which requires participants to be at least 18 for live fire exercises.

However, Nasseri said the White Cross Fire Department has had students under 18 complete Fireground Ops 9, including the live fire practices, safely.

"I had four folks from White Cross complete that program and get their certification prior to 18," he said. "Two of them got out and got jobs immediately after high school.” 

Students’ ability to take Fireground Ops 9, along with other courses to obtain their certification, was facilitated through House Bill 661. The bill allows qualified youth aged 15 or older to take certification classes through the N.C. Community College System approved by the State Board of Community Colleges. 

"We're not going to reverse [the board's decision],” N.C. Rep. Mark Pless (R-Haywood, Madison) said. “Quite frankly, I think we're going to leave it because we gave it to the college system to implement, and I don't think we're going to reverse their decision at all. I've been wrong before. I don't see us doing it because there is a very real-life safety hazard to this.”

As a firefighter and EMT at the White Cross Fire Department and a probationary firefighter at the Carrboro Fire-Rescue Department, Marcos Ochoa said he started fire classes as a sophomore at Chapel Hill High School. After a few months, he said he started volunteering at the White Cross Fire Department and took his EMT class his senior year.

He said he completed Fireground Ops 9 through Wake Technical Community College, and within his group of candidates, he and his friends became some of the first individuals under 18 to earn the certification.

If Ochoa hadn’t been able to take the course before turning 18, he said he likely wouldn’t have been eligible for hire until after his birthday. He said he would have had to wait for the next hiring process or, if hired, complete the class and delay starting work.

“I think it should be under 18 because the group of people that I took it with was four people under 18, and they all did well,” he said. “They all took it seriously. It gave me a pretty special opportunity — what I'm trying to say is, I don't think having a 17-and-a-half-year-old take it poses significantly more risk than having people who just turned 18 take it.”

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